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Joined: 05 December 2005 Malaysia Posts: 970 Gender: Male
Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:16am | IP Logged
this is just another global racial issue!
shark r plentiful in the ocean. but shark fin r delicacy to only chinese. the west is always bias toward chinese.
wat about whale, tuna, turkey, elk?!
they still hunt elk rite? for food? elk r humble deer family. they kill thr male - owes shot the largest of them all. & teaching the whole world - if it isn't dead after it fell, 1 more shot will ease it's pain!
shark r man-killer! man killer is the term the white uses when a shark attacked a white! we chinese kill shark & help to eliminate the man-killer population. and it is WRONG?!
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Joined: 27 June 2007 Malaysia Posts: 231 Gender: Male
Posted: 13 January 2008 at 12:23pm | IP Logged
Quote: niac
this is just another global racial issue!
shark r plentiful in the ocean. but shark fin r delicacy to only chinese. the west is always bias toward chinese.
wat about whale, tuna, turkey, elk?!
they still hunt elk rite? for food? elk r humble deer family. they kill thr male - owes shot the largest of them all. & teaching the whole world - if it isn't dead after it fell, 1 more shot will ease it's pain!
shark r man-killer! man killer is the term the white uses when a shark attacked a white! we chinese kill shark & help to eliminate the man-killer population. and it is WRONG?!
What i think about this is, perhaps it should be reserve to chinese only and not promote as a delicacy. Kesian some of the sharks from what i saw get strip of their fins while alive and toss back to the ocean to drown. Think of it as ppl cutting ur leg and arm ,and throw u in the sea while ur still alive can u swim? As we all know sharks need to swim to stay alive if not it also down, so how can it swim if it does not even have fins to do so ? To say that sharks are man killer is just bias , there are more sharks that are not man killer than there are those who are man killer ? Uncle croc are also man killer u dont see we go hunting them and make soup ? im not racist its just that , ppl should control what they eat , once in a while is ok such as occasion like chinese new year or wedding is ok .
Labeling them as man killer? How many times do u hear shark attacking ppl in malaysian waters? I bet u hear more ppl being bite by dog then get bitten by sharks lol. and the 2 time shoot is just normal for hunters . u dont want the prey to berontak like mad when u want to transport the? Do u ever go hunting ? When i go hunting deer with my datok at the woods in Borneo highlands we would normaly shoot the biggest and the one that looks like having much meat , u know la bullets are expensive , Tak kan you wan to shoot small skinny ones kan?
Joined: 23 October 2007 Malaysia Posts: 222 Gender: Male
Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:37am | IP Logged
By rights, KILLING would b a sin. like we angler, we tortue the fish to death. The problem with taking shark fin is like we're actually eating their hand and leg just like chicken drum stick and wings the best parts for all living beings. If humans treasure the whole body, then shark fin would be worth it, the only thing i know that eat shark in the sea is crabs.
Joined: 05 December 2005 Malaysia Posts: 970 Gender: Male
Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:30am | IP Logged
Quote: k4mbing
Quote: niac
this is just another global racial issue!
shark r plentiful in the ocean. but shark fin r delicacy to only chinese. the west is always bias toward chinese.
wat about whale, tuna, turkey, elk?!
they still hunt elk rite? for food? elk r humble deer family. they kill thr male - owes shot the largest of them all. & teaching the whole world - if it isn't dead after it fell, 1 more shot will ease it's pain!
shark r man-killer! man killer is the term the white uses when a shark attacked a white! we chinese kill shark & help to eliminate the man-killer population. and it is WRONG?!
What i think about this is, perhaps it should be reserve to chinese only and not promote as a delicacy. Kesian some of the sharks from what i saw get strip of their fins while alive and toss back to the ocean to drown. Think of it as ppl cutting ur leg and arm ,and throw u in the sea while ur still alive can u swim? As we all know sharks need to swim to stay alive if not it also down, so how can it swim if it does not even have fins to do so ? To say that sharks are man killer is just bias , there are more sharks that are not man killer than there are those who are man killer ? Uncle croc are also man killer u dont see we go hunting them and make soup ? im not racist its just that , ppl should control what they eat , once in a while is ok such as occasion like chinese new year or wedding is ok .
Labeling them as man killer? How many times do u hear shark attacking ppl in malaysian waters? I bet u hear more ppl being bite by dog then get bitten by sharks lol. and the 2 time shoot is just normal for hunters . u dont want the prey to berontak like mad when u want to transport the? Do u ever go hunting ? When i go hunting deer with my datok at the woods in Borneo highlands we would normaly shoot the biggest and the one that looks like having much meat , u know la bullets are expensive , Tak kan you wan to shoot small skinny ones kan?
Kambing, in case u din get my point - the west/white themselves hunt for fun but still want teaching the world not to kill!
btw - if 1 chinese family hv shark fin soup for just chinese new yr, can u imagine how many shark has been sacrified globally. er... i dun hv the global chinese population statistic.
certainly there r chinese who dun eat shark fin. but i m not 1 of them.
Edited by niac on 14 January 2008 at 10:40am
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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:42am | IP Logged
I like shark fin soup, but only consume them during CNY. Like what Yao Ming & Jackie Chan said, stop consume shark fin soup & u will save the sharks . But we humans always kill anything that move lol....
Better we all turn vegetarian lah, save a lot of animals that way. By the way, all Australia's Fish & Chips shop are serving shark meat as a meal, not unless u request the fish u want like Barra, Red Emperor or Snapper. Or else, they just served u "SHARK MEAT".
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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:03pm | IP Logged
Quote: FiReWoLf
I like shark fin soup, but only consume them during CNY. Like what Yao Ming & Jackie Chan said, stop consume shark fin soup & u will save the sharks . But we humans always kill anything that move lol....
Better we all turn vegetarian lah, save a lot of animals that way. By the way, all Australia's Fish & Chips shop are serving shark meat as a meal, not unless u request the fish u want like Barra, Red Emperor or Snapper. Or else, they just served u "SHARK MEAT".
Firewolf
see? another prejusdice or double standard - the aus state government allow its people to serve shark meat and at the same time .... want chinese stop taking shark fin soup.
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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:35pm | IP Logged
The thing is .. because of the high demand for the fins, these fishes get stip of them on the sea and get thrown back while still wiggling back to the sea. If u take back and eat everyting its ok .. but just striping it for certian parts .. then its wastefull .. bad enough even the small sharks tak lepas from this. As u know shark are the top preditor in the sea .. what happens when there are no more sharks ? Have u ever buy the ikan masin yu or do you only eat the fins?
Joined: 31 May 2007 Malaysia Posts: 138 Gender: Male
Posted: 14 January 2008 at 4:58pm | IP Logged
there are always two side of the story, some people like to have shark fin as soup n some don. Like the story of west and east.. it not just about shark fin it about all but if you think killing a shark just to eat it fin i think it not wise, better bring all back after all many people on land love to eat shark flesh .. like me if i caught a shark i bring back the whole body the my mother throw away the fin coz it not easy to work on the fin compare to the it flesh. n one thing i know, people do thing with reasons... if the can sit together n rationalizing the reasons i'm sure there is a way out for this. win - win situation.. JUST A THOUGHT
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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:45pm | IP Logged
Luckily Shark Fin is very expensive or else ppl will make as a soup everyday. I like Shark Fin too but only i take when Chinese New Year. I also take when some rich friend's wedding dinner cos they already cooked so i must eat. Not my fault.
Edited by administrator on 15 January 2008 at 10:24am
Joined: 12 March 2005 Malaysia Posts: 1624 Gender: Male
Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:07am | IP Logged
This is not an old issue oledi, but how can u stop Chinese (not just Chinese love shark fin soup [SFS]~!!!!) from stop consuming there years long delicacy ~ earlier than Ming dynasty??? It's like stopping us from CNY eve gathering, practise our traditional celebration, using the lunar calender etc. Come to this issue, its like stopping Chinese from burning fire crackers during CNY~!!! It can be reduced, but cant stop it totally in just few years time~!
Dont forget firecracker is 1 of Chinese greatest creation, not forgetting Chinese delicacy including the shark fin soup~! <Of course PAPER also lah~>!!!
Come back to the topic, I dont think its a sin - religiously or legally~! If legally, the GOV should stop the fishermen from harvesting the shark. Its like stopping the pirate DVD, stop the suppliers, instead of consumers~! Anyway, I read an article saying that M'sia GOV is going to stop any restaurants from providing SFS, just dont know when will this start. Its a good start though.
If religiously, it is banned to discuss in this forum.........So keep it & think for urself~!
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:52am | IP Logged
guys... my 2 cents on this topic...
tradition is a lot of bull... if one wanna change for the better good of something, for anything, they can change and they will change. if there is a will, there is a way.
hunting for elk etc etc in the US and West is much much more regulated in East... so, what they are doing is sustainable. the West have learned from their mistakes and are only advising us. Yes, it is very hipocritical of them to preach conservation when last time, they themselves practices mass slaughtering of their wildlife, be it sealife, land animals or even their forest. if you think about it... the new generation that are preaching conservation are those that have woken up to what their forefathers have previously destroyed... so in a way, they are not hipocrites afterall.
if only, shark fin harvesting can be monitored and regulated, then, i believe our quest to taste shark fins can quenched.
p/s: by the way, i think there is a statistic saying that there are more than 1 billion chinese in the world. that's 1000,000,000!!!
p/s: if i have offended anyone, i sincerely apologise.
Joined: 27 June 2007 Malaysia Posts: 231 Gender: Male
Posted: 15 January 2008 at 1:22pm | IP Logged
Quote: mangrooveDan
guys... my 2 cents on this topic...
tradition is a lot of bull... if one wanna change for the better good of something, for anything, they can change and they will change. if there is a will, there is a way.
hunting for elk etc etc in the US and West is much much more regulated in East... so, what they are doing is sustainable. the West have learned from their mistakes and are only advising us. Yes, it is very hipocritical of them to preach conservation when last time, they themselves practices mass slaughtering of their wildlife, be it sealife, land animals or even their forest. if you think about it... the new generation that are preaching conservation are those that have woken up to what their forefathers have previously destroyed... so in a way, they are not hipocrites afterall.
if only, shark fin harvesting can be monitored and regulated, then, i believe our quest to taste shark fins can quenched.
p/s: by the way, i think there is a statistic saying that there are more than 1 billion chinese in the world. that's 1000,000,000!!!
p/s: if i have offended anyone, i sincerely apologise.
QFT , eat as much as we can coz soon the will be non left for us to eat
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 7:07pm | IP Logged
Sharks will be extinct ? Where ? In the world ?
IMO, there will be extinction for species of fish or fishes in some area only but not the entire world. That's because there's still a sanctuary area for fishes like Galapagos island, where abundant of fishes left alone undisturbed and die of old age...
So, who can help me to get permit/license for fishing in Galapagos island ?
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 7:32pm | IP Logged
Quote: thunnus
Sharks will be extinct ? Where ? In the world ?
IMO, there will be extinction for species of fish or fishes in some area only but not the entire world. That's because there's still a sanctuary area for fishes like Galapagos island, where abundant of fishes left alone undisturbed and die of old age...
So, who can help me to get permit/license for fishing in Galapagos island ?
QFT . Ignorance is bliss, saya cuma pemancing saya bukan nelayan.
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Topic: Eating shark fin soup is it a sin?
. But we humans always kill anything that move lol....
Not my fault. 
